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Appeal To Geocachers

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Appeal To Geocachers

From: (sileagle@windstream.net) | Date: 2014-01-14 06:50:48 UTC-08:00

Well the new year has already brought several emails telling me my boxes are missing stamps taken by Geocachers looking for caches placed nearby.  I can place my boxes in remote places, conceal them under rocks or sticks, even make my clues word of mouth and still have the stamp taken by a Geocacher.  At the rate Geocaching is growing it won't be long before no letterbox is safe and no longer worth placing new ones.  Of all the bad things that can happen to letterboxes, this seems the most insidious and I would like to reach out to the Geocache community for a possible solution.  However, since I am not a Geocacher  it might be more palatable to them if it came from one of you that also participate in that hobby.  So could any of you Geocachers please ask your community to change the wording on your website to not take stamps from boxes because they are letterboxes, which is a different hobby?  Ideally it would be better if Geocaching did not take anything and just signed the log, but that will probably never happen.  A shame though, because in my opinion, both hobbies could coexist peacefully with this one change, and since letterboxing came first, Geocaching should be the one to change.  Thanks for any help.

Silver Eagle 

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-14 07:44:24 UTC-08:00
Done and pinned on the geocaching forums: 

http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=296477


Problem is only a small percentage of geocachers, especially new geocachers, read the forums.  

Best place to get the message across is in/on the letterbox. 

I put a lot of messages in my letterbox. Things I do:

Put a laminated card in the box that says:

> *LETTERBOXING INSTRUCTIONS*

>Please leave
the stamp in the box.
>No trades.

> If you carry a
letterbox “passport”, take     
> an impression of the letterbox’s stamp.

> If you carry your own
signature stamp
> leave an impression in the logbook.  
> leave an impression in the logbook.  
>
>

I also tape that note to the inside lid, bottom of the box, inside cover of the logbook, stapled to the felt bag, written on the back of the stamp in sharpie marker. Overkill perhaps, but I haven't had a stamp taken from a box that has had this note in it. I've been planted 79 letterboxes since 2002. 

Lone R


On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:50:50 AM, "sileagle@windstream.net" wrote:


>Well the new year has already brought several emails telling me my boxes are missing stamps taken by Geocachers looking for caches placed nearby.  I can place my boxes in remote places, conceal them under rocks or sticks, even make my clues word of mouth and still have the stamp taken by a Geocacher.  At the rate Geocaching is growing it won't be long before no letterbox is safe and no longer worth placing new ones.  Of all the bad things that can happen to letterboxes, this seems the most insidious and I would like to reach out to the Geocache community for a possible solution.  However, since I am not a Geocacher  it might be more palatable to them if it came from one of you that also participate in that hobby.  So could any of you Geocachers please ask your community to change the wording on your website to not take stamps from boxes because they are letterboxes, which is a different hobby?  Ideally it would be better if Geocaching did not
take anything and just signed the log, but that will probably never happen.  A shame though, because in my opinion, both hobbies could coexist peacefully with this one change, and since letterboxing came first, Geocaching should be the one to change.  Thanks for any help.
>
>Silver Eagle 
>
>
>

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-14 15:48:46 UTC

Sorry about the weird formatting. I have cleaned it up:


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, R wrote:
>
> Done and pinned on the geocaching forums:
>
> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=296477 
>
>
> Problem is only a small percentage of geocachers, especially new geocachers, read the forums.  
>
> Best place to get the message across is in/on the letterbox. 
>
> I put a lot of messages in my letterbox. Things I do:
>
> Put a laminated card in the box that says:
>
> > *LETTERBOXING INSTRUCTIONS*
> > 
> >Please leave
> the stamp in the box.
> >No trades.
> >
> >If you carry a
> letterbox 'passport', take 
> >an impression of the letterbox's stamp.
> > 
> >If you carry your own signature stamp
> >leave an impression in the logbook. 
> >
>
> I also tape that note to the inside lid, bottom of the box, inside cover of the logbook, stapled to the felt bag, written on the back of the stamp in sharpie marker. Overkill perhaps, but I haven't had a stamp taken from a box that has had this note in it. I've been planted 79 letterboxes since 2002. 
>
> Lone R
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:50:50 AM, "sileagle@..." sileagle@... wrote:
>
>
> >Well the new year has already brought several emails telling me my boxes are missing stamps taken by Geocachers looking for caches placed nearby.  I can place my boxes in remote places, conceal them under rocks or sticks, even make my clues word of mouth and still have the stamp taken by a Geocacher.  At the rate Geocaching is growing it won't be long before no letterbox is safe and no longer worth placing new ones.  Of all the bad things that can happen to letterboxes, this seems the most insidious and I would like to reach out to the Geocache community for a possible solution.  However, since I am not a Geocacher  it might be more palatable to them if it came from one of you that also participate in that hobby.  So could any of you Geocachers please ask your community to change the wording on your website to not take stamps from boxes because they are letterboxes, which is a different hobby?  Ideally it would be better if Geocaching did not
> take anything and just signed the log, but that will probably never happen.  A shame though, because in my opinion, both hobbies could coexist peacefully with this one change, and since letterboxing came first, Geocaching should be the one to change.  Thanks for any help.
> >
> >Silver Eagle 
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Pratts! (prattfamily777@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-14 11:01:54 UTC-06:00
The State Parks have a Geocaching Challenge that requires geocachers to use a specific hole punch to redeem prizes. The hole punch is attached to the container to prevent it from being mistaken as swag. Maybe, stamps could be attached to their boxes in a similar way. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:50 AM, <sileagle@windstream.net> wrote:

 

Well the new year has already brought several emails telling me my boxes are missing stamps taken by Geocachers looking for caches placed nearby.  I can place my boxes in remote places, conceal them under rocks or sticks, even make my clues word of mouth and still have the stamp taken by a Geocacher.  At the rate Geocaching is growing it won't be long before no letterbox is safe and no longer worth placing new ones.  Of all the bad things that can happen to letterboxes, this seems the most insidious and I would like to reach out to the Geocache community for a possible solution.  However, since I am not a Geocacher  it might be more palatable to them if it came from one of you that also participate in that hobby.  So could any of you Geocachers please ask your community to change the wording on your website to not take stamps from boxes because they are letterboxes, which is a different hobby?  Ideally it would be better if Geocaching did not take anything and just signed the log, but that will probably never happen.  A shame though, because in my opinion, both hobbies could coexist peacefully with this one change, and since letterboxing came first, Geocaching should be the one to change.  Thanks for any help.

Silver Eagle 

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: (sileagle@windstream.net) | Date: 2014-01-14 09:22:02 UTC-08:00

Thanks for your quick response, but what I was thinking was posting the message on the Geocaching clue website (like LBNA) so everyone would see it.  Also putting it in FAQS or Getting Started information as rules

to live by.  This would require convincing a webmaster to do it and I don't know any.  Could you post something to a webmaster?


Silver Eagle

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-14 09:39:59 UTC-08:00
The majority of geocachers, especially the new ones read very little of the site, and these days you never have to go to the website if you use the geocaching app. 

The best source in order to educate geocachers is your letterbox container.

But you could leave a message on the geocaching.com Twitter site: https://twitter.com/GoGeocaching
and their Facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/geocaching
Those are more public -so your message will go out, not only to Groundspeak staff, but everyone that follows their Twitter and Facebook feeds.

And here's Groundspeak's contact page on geocaching.com: http://www.geocaching.com/contact/




On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:22:02 PM, "sileagle@windstream.net" <sileagle@windstream.net> wrote:
 
Thanks for your quick response, but what I was thinking was posting the message on the Geocaching clue website (like LBNA) so everyone would see it.  Also putting it in FAQS or Getting Started information as rules
to live by.  This would require convincing a webmaster to do it and I don't know any.  Could you post something to a webmaster?

Silver Eagle


Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: drewclan11 (drewclan@aol.com) | Date: 2014-01-14 19:58:02 UTC
Sorry to hear you are having this problem! Some good suggestions already: leave clear "don't take the stamp" instructions in the box, even written on the back of the stamp if it is big enough.

One of the reasons cachers love our stamps is that sometimes the junk in a geocache is so useless while the stamps are so COOL. We recently maintained our one remaining geocache and I enjoyed making a list of all the trade goods in there:

-disposable plastic spoon
-empty playdoh container
-generic VHS pigtail wire
-happy meal coloring book
-sunscreen wipe
-pencil stub, no eraser
-broken fishing float
-rubber cat, no head
-3 stuck together life savers

So I can see why someone would be delighted to get one of your famous hand carved stamps!

Jay in CT "TNLN"

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Well the new year has already brought several emails telling me my boxes are missing stamps taken by Geocachers looking for caches placed nearby.


RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (gilbe@bendbroadband.com) | Date: 2014-01-15 09:14:30 UTC-08:00

I agree that clear instructions not to take the stamp are the best and really only way to keep your stamps where they belong.  I've never lost a stamp.  I have a laminated card in all my boxes that begins "Congratulations, you have found a letterbox.  If you are a geocacher ...  the rest just tells them to sign the log book, don't take the stamp, and hide the box back completely hidden from view.  I'm going to start writing on the back of my stamps too, good idea.


Calli-K

Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (gilbe@bendbroadband.com) | Date: 2014-01-15 09:20:12 UTC-08:00

Jay in CT:  Your list was hysterical, a great way to start my day.  I agree - no wonder they like our stamps!  I loved the 3 stuck together life savers.  I once found some sort of half melted M&Ms in a letterbox, might have been yummy when they were first put in the box, but by the time I found them, yuck!  At least the M&M people left the stamp.


Calli-K

Re: [LbNA] RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Denise Vajdak (denise.vajdak@gmail.com) | Date: 2014-01-15 11:26:47 UTC-06:00
I have also posted this info on several Facebook and Google+ groups. I have had a couple of stamps go missing lately (that I still need to re-carve BTW). I have created a weatherproof sticker on 2x4 labels and I have started placing them on the logbooks for my most recent letterboxes with instructions for newbies and bold red print "DO NOT REMOVE STAMP". We'll see how that goes.

New cachers need mentoring. Look up nearby geocaching events and go hang out with them. Bring up letterbox style caches and the do's and don't's about them - in a helpful way. I have even sent gentle reminders to previous finders of my boxes/caches with the missing stamps reminding them that stamps are not swag. I even got a message back from one of them that said thanks for the info and that they had never seen a letterbox style before, but there was no stamp in it when they found it either.

Denise E. Vajdak ><> (aka NativTxn)
http://tx.ag/denise http://google.com/+DeniseVajdak
In God We Trust



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM, <gilbe@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

I agree that clear instructions not to take the stamp are the best and really only way to keep your stamps where they belong. I've never lost a stamp. I have a laminated card in all my boxes that begins "Congratulations, you have found a letterbox. If you are a geocacher ... the rest just tells them to sign the log book, don't take the stamp, and hide the box back completely hidden from view. I'm going to start writing on the back of my stamps too, good idea.


Calli-K


Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: drewclan11 (drewclan@aol.com) | Date: 2014-01-15 21:07:00 UTC
Yum! Melts in your box, not in your hand.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>I once found some sort of half melted M&Ms in a letterbox,
> Calli-K
>



Re: [LbNA] RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (Dondo_48@comcast.net) | Date: 2014-01-15 13:12:45 UTC-08:00

I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize.  There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site.  In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up. 


 If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues.  I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could  be done.  Each person would only have to do this once.  Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.

Re: [LbNA] RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Pratt Family Yahoo! (prattfamily777@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-15 15:57:58 UTC-06:00
I don't understand why letterboxers are so determined to pass out rules for everyone else, when the don't want to follow rules, themselves.  I am a letterboxer and I enjoy the art that goes along with it.  I am ALSO a geocacher and I enjoy the hunt.  I have accidentally come across letterboxes while geocaching and have been pleasantly surprised, but I knew what they were, otherwise I probably would have traded in the same way, but only because the boxes weren't properly marked.  Instead of being so rebellious, register the boxes in state parks, like geocachers do, so they won't be permitted to be as close.  Don't put boxes where they are not welcome; it gives us a bad name. If you want to raise awareness, you'll have to stop being so secretive; you can't have both.  Marking your boxes, like so many have suggested, seems to be a great idea and very effective or attaching one end of a string to your box and the other end to your stamp... Geocachers would be smart enough to figure out that it isn't meant to be taken if it's attached.  But whatever you do, please just stop complaining if you aren't going to do anything constructive, like providing a solution.  Geocachers don't sit around complaining about Letterboxers all the time and it would be much appreciated if letterboxers would do the same... It kind of ruins the fun for the rest of us that just want to enjoy it. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:12 PM, <Dondo_48@comcast.net> wrote:

 

I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize.  There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site.  In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up. 


 If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues.  I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could  be done.  Each person would only have to do this once.  Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.

Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Ann (AlohAnn@verizon.net) | Date: 2014-01-15 17:50:18 UTC-05:00
Aloha! As a geocacher that also letterboxes when I happen upon them I can feel for your plight. My first letterbox was found by accident while looking for a cache early in my caching career. I happily signed the log, stamped a piece of paper in my notebook, left a note that I did not have a stamp but would get one, and re-hid the container. All actions were based on the well written and informative instructions I found laminated within along with where to log the find, which I did upon returning home. Since that time I have found quite a few letterboxes both intentionally and by accident - one of which was placed right next to one of my already placed caches. When brought to my attention by another cacher, I updated my cache page that a nearby letterbox was not what they were looking for, should be left in place with nothing taken from or left in it should they locate it. In addition I recommended checking out the website for another great game and alerted the letterbox owner to my nearby cache. To the best of my knowledge both remained happily together for a very long time. The letterbox is now gone but then so is my cache! Juvenile idiots?

Should it be actual cachers taking your stamps I would guess them to be newbies and not aware of what they have found. My recommendations include:

1. An informative note within.
2. Search geocaching.com with your letterbox coordinates and notify the any cache owner(s) of any caches found nearby. Inform them that you also have a letterbox in the area and would they note it on their cache page with the letterbox website info. Since they also dislike having to replace caches and such they will understand your plight.
3. A letter to geocaching.com asking what it would take to place some sort of notice on their home page which could be seen upon entering. I don't know if that's even possible but worth asking.

As a whole, I believe the majority of geocachers are responsible players and have little to no interest in the goodies (????) within. Once the newness wears off it's more about the numbers than the items as evidenced by the huge number of micro, nano and creative geocaches created over the last several years.

For me, I promise not to steal any stamps.... or anything else.

Aloha!



Sent from my iPad

Re: [LbNA] RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (sileagle@windstream.net) | Date: 2014-01-16 06:44:18 UTC-08:00

At the risk of starting a war, I don't agree with your assessment at all.  First of all, being secretive is what letterboxing is all about and is what makes it appealing to many boxers.  However, I would be willing to "let the secret out" to geocachers instead of the general public since they already participate in a similar hobby.  That is why I suggested putting information about letterboxing on the geocaching website, so cachers would be aware of us and hopefully stop taking stamps.  This is not meant to be a "rule" passed out by me to cachers, it is simply an attempt to educate them about us to hopefully resolve the problem of stamps being taken.  I think this would be a more root-cause solution than attaching a string to a stamp.  As far as letterboxers not following rules, that is a small subset, just like geocachers that don't follow your rules, and is a whole different discussion.  So when you say letterboxers should stop complaining without providing a constructive solution, I think I have done that.  I didn't rant and rave about geocachers, I just stated the problem and provided a possible solution.  You are the one doing the ranting.  Oh, and by the way, if I did want to impose rules on geocachers I would have right of precedence since letterboxing was here way before geocaching.

FYI, I did reach out to webmasters at the Geocaching site and they offered to help with a specific box by notifying nearby owners of geocaches.  I told them I was looking for a broader solution, but it was a good start and I am encouraged by their willingness to help.

Silver Eagle




---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <prattfamily777@...> wrote:

I don't understand why letterboxers are so determined to pass out rules for everyone else, when the don't want to follow rules, themselves.  I am a letterboxer and I enjoy the art that goes along with it.  I am ALSO a geocacher and I enjoy the hunt.  I have accidentally come across letterboxes while geocaching and have been pleasantly surprised, but I knew what they were, otherwise I probably would have traded in the same way, but only because the boxes weren't properly marked.  Instead of being so rebellious, register the boxes in state parks, like geocachers do, so they won't be permitted to be as close.  Don't put boxes where they are not welcome; it gives us a bad name. If you want to raise awareness, you'll have to stop being so secretive; you can't have both.  Marking your boxes, like so many have suggested, seems to be a great idea and very effective or attaching one end of a string to your box and the other end to your stamp... Geocachers would be smart enough to figure out that it isn't meant to be taken if it's attached.  But whatever you do, please just stop complaining if you aren't going to do anything constructive, like providing a solution.  Geocachers don't sit around complaining about Letterboxers all the time and it would be much appreciated if letterboxers would do the same... It kind of ruins the fun for the rest of us that just want to enjoy it. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:12 PM, <Dondo_48@...> wrote:

 

I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize.  There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site.  In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up. 


 If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues.  I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could  be done.  Each person would only have to do this once.  Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Tom Cooch (thomascooch@gmail.com) | Date: 2014-01-16 10:20:14 UTC-05:00
I agree with your assessment, Silver Eagle. Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later. The person who started it up was the son of two early letterboxers.

The Orient Express

On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:44 AM, sileagle@windstream.net wrote:

 

At the risk of starting a war, I don't agree with your assessment at all.  First of all, being secretive is what letterboxing is all about and is what makes it appealing to many boxers.  However, I would be willing to "let the secret out" to geocachers instead of the general public since they already participate in a similar hobby.  That is why I suggested putting information about letterboxing on the geocaching website, so cachers would be aware of us and hopefully stop taking stamps.  This is not meant to be a "rule" passed out by me to cachers, it is simply an attempt to educate them about us to hopefully resolve the problem of stamps being taken.  I think this would be a more root-cause solution than attaching a string to a stamp.  As far as letterboxers not following rules, that is a small subset, just like geocachers that don't follow your rules, and is a whole different discussion.  So when you say letterboxers should stop complaining without providing a constructive solution, I think I have done that.  I didn't rant and rave about geocachers, I just stated the problem and provided a possible solution.  You are the one doing the ranting.  Oh, and by the way, if I did want to impose rules on geocachers I would have right of precedence since letterboxing was here way before geocaching.

FYI, I did reach out to webmasters at the Geocaching site and they offered to help with a specific box by notifying nearby owners of geocaches.  I told them I was looking for a broader solution, but it was a good start and I am encouraged by their willingness to help.

Silver Eagle




---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <prattfamily777@...> wrote:

I don't understand why letterboxers are so determined to pass out rules for everyone else, when the don't want to follow rules, themselves.  I am a letterboxer and I enjoy the art that goes along with it.  I am ALSO a geocacher and I enjoy the hunt.  I have accidentally come across letterboxes while geocaching and have been pleasantly surprised, but I knew what they were, otherwise I probably would have traded in the same way, but only because the boxes weren't properly marked.  Instead of being so rebellious, register the boxes in state parks, like geocachers do, so they won't be permitted to be as close.  Don't put boxes where they are not welcome; it gives us a bad name. If you want to raise awareness, you'll have to stop being so secretive; you can't have both.  Marking your boxes, like so many have suggested, seems to be a great idea and very effective or attaching one end of a string to your box and the other end to your stamp... Geocachers would be smart enough to figure out that it isn't meant to be taken if it's attached.  But whatever you do, please just stop complaining if you aren't going to do anything constructive, like providing a solution.  Geocachers don't sit around complaining about Letterboxers all the time and it would be much appreciated if letterboxers would do the same... It kind of ruins the fun for the rest of us that just want to enjoy it. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:12 PM, <Dondo_48@...> wrote:

 

I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize.  There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site.  In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up. 


 If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues.  I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could  be done.  Each person would only have to do this once.  Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.



Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-16 17:14:07 UTC
Geocaching.com has become not only a hobby but a small business. It's run by the Groundspeak company. The geocaching.com game has grown so large that it's run by a staff of 70 paid people (and many volunteers). Responding to suggestions regarding changes to the website has historically been rare or very very slow.  To hear that they responded to your email and offered to contact owners of nearby caches is quite a nice surprise (more than I expected they would do). Their usual reply is to suggest it in the forums, where the members talk among themselves and nothing happens. /:)

Personally, I think  you have to ignore the elephant in the Hide N Seek recreational industry. Just figure out a way to work around it. 

The easiest way is to put little eye-catching information cards in and on your letterbox. Get the message out at the source. 

Consider also that occasionally a regular person, who knows nothing about geocaching or letterboxing, will stumble upon letterboxes. To an untrained eye it could look like a pirate treasure game where the finder gets to keep the loot. Let the untrained masses know how the hobby is played. 

What I've seen a lot is "This is a letterbox. This is not a geocache. This is not trash" written on the box. To someone who doesn't know what a letterbox is, and barely knows what a geocache is, what does this tell them about how they should interact with the box and contents? Make sure that you get the most important message out loud and clear: 'Do NOT Take the Stamp. Leave it in the box. Not a Trade Item.'

This summer I got wondering.... just how many people in my area leave 'Do not take the stamp' information in the box or on the back of the stamp. My findings: none of the stamps that I found had  "Do  not take the stamp" information. Most of the stamps had writing on the back but it was usually an arrow showing how the cache should be placed and/or the name of the stamp/letterbox. 

Lone R

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
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> I just stated the problem and provided a possible solution. 
>
> FYI, I did reach out to webmasters at the Geocaching site and they offered to help with a specific box by notifying nearby owners of geocaches. I told them I was looking for a broader solution, but it was a good start and I am encouraged by their willingness to help.
>
> Silver Eagle
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> ---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, prattfamily777@ wrote:
>
> I don't understand why letterboxers are so determined to pass out rules for everyone else, when the don't want to follow rules, themselves. I am a letterboxer and I enjoy the art that goes along with it. I am ALSO a geocacher and I enjoy the hunt. I have accidentally come across letterboxes while geocaching and have been pleasantly surprised, but I knew what they were, otherwise I probably would have traded in the same way, but only because the boxes weren't properly marked. Instead of being so rebellious, register the boxes in state parks, like geocachers do, so they won't be permitted to be as close. Don't put boxes where they are not welcome; it gives us a bad name. If you want to raise awareness, you'll have to stop being so secretive; you can't have both. Marking your boxes, like so many have suggested, seems to be a great idea and very effective or attaching one end of a string to your box and the other end to your stamp... Geocachers would be smart enough to figure out that it isn't meant to be taken if it's attached. But whatever you do, please just stop complaining if you aren't going to do anything constructive, like providing a solution. Geocachers don't sit around complaining about Letterboxers all the time and it would be much appreciated if letterboxers would do the same... It kind of ruins the fun for the rest of us that just want to enjoy it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Dondo_48@ mailto:Dondo_48@ wrote:
>
>
> I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize. There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site. In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up.
>
>
> If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues. I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could be done. Each person would only have to do this once. Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.
>

Re: [LbNA] Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Pam Hedden (scrap.master.pam@rogers.com) | Date: 2014-01-16 12:37:39 UTC-05:00
I've been very lucky and only lost one stamp to a geocacher and the nice part is that when I contacted the owner of a nearby (planted way after my box) geocache he actually contacted all the people who had recently logged a find to see if one of them might have the stamp.  Unsuccessful, but nice that he tried.
 
I've also had a geocacher save a couple of my boxes.  I try not to plant close to caches but somehow missed one location.  Turned out our boxes were almost on top of each other (okay, really close to each other) and when he contacted me, I offered to remove my box.  His reply was that it was time we all learned to play nice together.  So I added information about his cache to my clues and he added information about my box to his clues.  So far, so good for the past 2 years.
 
The other box saved was when someone left our box out in the wide open.  The geocacher picked up the box and emailed me that he had rescued my box.  He even met me back at the hiding location and helped me replant the box in a better location.
 
In my humble opinion,  most people chose to play nice.  Some will not, no matter how many warnings or suggestions or whatever.
 
I know when I go to visit my boxes this spring in preparation for a May mini-meet here in St. Thomas, I will be adding information cards to all my boxes.  My newer boxes have them but I think I will make sure all do.
 
Interesting discussion.  Thanks for starting the topic.
 
See ya
Pam
Big Blue Team
 

RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (reddgroom@roadrunner.com) | Date: 2014-01-19 08:22:19 UTC-08:00

Many many geocachers never become members of the website and they don't post their finds there. They simply get the coordinates and go. With the new iPhone app, it is not even necessary use the website, read the description or have a GPSr! Many Many cachers, just open the app, look at the map, choose a cache and press "navigate to cache". This can probably explain why letterboxes that are anywhere close to a cache will eventually get found and pillaged. Geocachers are scroungers and searchers by nature. Coordinates can be 50 - 100" off and we are accustomed to using our "geosense" and search any likely hiding place in the area. The likelihood of an average cacher reading the full description and understanding any warning about a letter box in a cache post is probably 50% or less.


My best advice if you are putting a box in an area where people frequently hike or cache is to put the advisory IN THE BOX that is large and easy to read (ie you can't miss it) "This Is NOT a Geocache" and "DO not take the stamp" If you can attach the stamp to the box with a leash, even better. Don't expect people to read and follow the rules, these hobbies aren't secret anymore, and unless your box is very difficult to find, or requires a secret knowledge to access, even non-boxer/cacher people will discover it and want to rummage through it. (I once knew a couple of cachers that made all their boxes ammo cans that were well-hidden and secured shut with a combo lock. The only way to access them was by reading the cache description and getting the combo. Even they had many boxes vandalized and broken.

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: (reddgroom@roadrunner.com) | Date: 2014-01-19 08:39:05 UTC-08:00

Tom,

Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_%28hobby%29




---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-19 09:05:49 UTC-08:00
Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_%28hobby%29



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express





Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Tom Cooch (thomascooch@gmail.com) | Date: 2014-01-19 13:12:09 UTC-05:00
I'm just talking about the US.

On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:39 AM, reddgroom@roadrunner.com wrote:

 

Tom,

Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_%28hobby%29




---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express



Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-19 12:06:58 UTC-08:00
And in Canada:

 




On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:20:21 AM, Tom Cooch <thomascooch@gmail.com> wrote:
 
I agree with your assessment, Silver Eagle. Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later. The person who started it up was the son of two early letterboxers.

The Orient Express

On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:44 AM, sileagle@windstream.net wrote:

 

At the risk of starting a war, I don't agree with your assessment at all.  First of all, being secretive is what letterboxing is all about and is what makes it appealing to many boxers.  However, I would be willing to "let the secret out" to geocachers instead of the general public since they already participate in a similar hobby.  That is why I suggested putting information about letterboxing on the geocaching website, so cachers would be aware of us and hopefully stop taking stamps.  This is not meant to be a "rule" passed out by me to cachers, it is simply an attempt to educate them about us to hopefully resolve the problem of stamps being taken.  I think this would be a more root-cause solution than attaching a string to a stamp.  As far as letterboxers not following rules, that is a small subset, just like geocachers that don't follow your rules, and is a whole different discussion.  So when you say letterboxers should stop complaining without providing a constructive solution, I think I have done that.  I didn't rant and rave about geocachers, I just stated the problem and provided a possible solution.  You are the one doing the ranting.  Oh, and by the way, if I did want to impose rules on geocachers I would have right of precedence since letterboxing was here way before geocaching.

FYI, I did reach out to webmasters at the Geocaching site and they offered to help with a specific box by notifying nearby owners of geocaches.  I told them I was looking for a broader solution, but it was a good start and I am encouraged by their willingness to help.

Silver Eagle



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <prattfamily777@...> wrote:

I don't understand why letterboxers are so determined to pass out rules for everyone else, when the don't want to follow rules, themselves.  I am a letterboxer and I enjoy the art that goes along with it.  I am ALSO a geocacher and I enjoy the hunt.  I have accidentally come across letterboxes while geocaching and have been pleasantly surprised, but I knew what they were, otherwise I probably would have traded in the same way, but only because the boxes weren't properly marked.  Instead of being so rebellious, register the boxes in state parks, like geocachers do, so they won't be permitted to be as close.  Don't put boxes where they are not welcome; it gives us a bad name. If you want to raise awareness, you'll have to stop being so secretive; you can't have both.  Marking your boxes, like so many have suggested, seems to be a great idea and very effective or attaching one end of a string to your box and the other end to your stamp... Geocachers would be smart enough to figure out that it isn't meant to be taken if it's attached.  But whatever you do, please just stop complaining if you aren't going to do anything constructive, like providing a solution.  Geocachers don't sit around complaining about Letterboxers all the time and it would be much appreciated if letterboxers would do the same... It kind of ruins the fun for the rest of us that just want to enjoy it. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:12 PM, <Dondo_48@...> wrote:

 
I have had stamps go missing also so I can sympathize.  There once was a letterboxer who had their clues plugged into a separate site.  In order to access those clues you had to read their waiver or resp. AND to make sure people read these you had to click on a specific word in this write-up. 

 If someone would contact the geocache community 'leaders' perhaps they could work something that the next time each person logged on they had to read this write-up that says letterboxing is a separate hobby in order to access the Geo. clues.  I'm sure if people put their heads together something like this could  be done.  Each person would only have to do this once.  Hopefully they would get the message and be educated.




[LbNA] Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2014-01-19 22:41:07 UTC

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Hedden" wrote:
>
> I've been very lucky and only lost one stamp to a geocacher and the nice part is that when I contacted the owner of a nearby (planted way after my box) geocache he actually contacted all the people who had recently logged a find to see if one of them might have the stamp. Unsuccessful, but nice that he tried.
>
> I've also had a geocacher save a couple of my boxes. I try not to plant close to caches but somehow missed one location. Turned out our boxes were almost on top of each other (okay, really close to each other) and when he contacted me, I offered to remove my box. His reply was that it was time we all learned to play nice together. So I added information about his cache to my clues and he added information about my box to his clues. So far, so good for the past 2 years.
>
> The other box saved was when someone left our box out in the wide open. The geocacher picked up the box and emailed me that he had rescued my box. He even met me back at the hiding location and helped me replant the box in a better location.
>
> In my humble opinion, most people chose to play nice. Some will not, no matter how many warnings or suggestions or whatever.
>
> I know when I go to visit my boxes this spring in preparation for a May mini-meet here in St. Thomas, I will be adding information cards to all my boxes. My newer boxes have them but I think I will make sure all do.
>
> Interesting discussion. Thanks for starting the topic.
>
> See ya
> Pam
> Big Blue Team
>

Pam, thanks for sharing your experiences with geocache owners. 
Bumble also had a good experience with a geocacher that she wrote about in her blog.
Maybe we're especially fortunate in Ontario. :)

Lone R

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Seth (barace1175@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 07:54:31 UTC-05:00
Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_%28hobby%29



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express





Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Mark Pepe (mjpepe1@comcast.net) | Date: 2014-01-20 14:35:50 UTC
I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark


From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 


Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_%28hobby%29



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express









Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Pratt Family Yahoo! (prattfamily777@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 08:41:05 UTC-06:00
Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 

I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark


From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 


Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express









RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 07:22:42 UTC-08:00

Wait?  Someone posted a wikilink to tell Tom Cooch the history of US letterboxing? This pastime has gotten so dumbed down. I feel sorry for newbies who will never experience it as it was meant to be. 

Re: [LbNA] RE: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Seth (barace1175@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 10:44:44 UTC-05:00
HI EVERYBODY!!!! Btw. B-)

Connected by Motorola


alwayschaos@yahoo.com wrote:

 

Wait?  Someone posted a wikilink to tell Tom Cooch the history of US letterboxing? This pastime has gotten so dumbed down. I feel sorry for newbies who will never experience it as it was meant to be. 

Re: Appeal To Geocachers

From: Pete Gauthier (jiggs111@earthlink.net) | Date: 2014-01-20 10:54:54 UTC-05:00
Hi Folks
 
First Letterboxes in Canada that I know of were planted in Quebec (Otterburn Park by Rae) in Sep, 2000. Boxes in PEI and NS were planted in Oct 2000, namely Strathgartney PP near Charlottetown and Beaver Mountain near Antigonish, NS (Dave & Heather Van Loon) (still in existence – last find 2007)
 
First geocache (GCBBA near Halifax, NS) placed  28 Jun 2000. 
 
Cheers, Jiggs
 
 
 

Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Linda Livingstone (lliving51@gmail.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 08:02:31 UTC-08:00
http://tomcooch.blogspot.com/



On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank you! I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark. Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark


From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers


Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:


Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express










Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Mark Pepe (mjpepe1@comcast.net) | Date: 2014-01-20 16:36:41 UTC
Thanks, Linda. The link just posted is our interview with Tom. Those of you who didn't recognize the name, may want to read about it.
And here's the link to other interviews with other early letterboxers:


Mark


From: "Linda Livingstone" <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:02:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 




On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 


I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark


From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 


Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL


From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express
















Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Wry Me (wry_me@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 14:01:42 UTC-08:00
Ok.  I must confess, I didn't know who he was, either!  So much better when someone puts us in the loop!

Wry Me
not dumb, just uninformed newbie??  Jeez.  When will I ever be an "oldie"?

 

From: Linda Livingstone <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 
I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark

From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL

From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express












Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 16:08:24 UTC-08:00
LOL. When I posted, I thought to myself, "Snarky post on the Big List, jeez I am old...." 

I think a lot of it is location, too. Like if you were a newbie from Pennsylvania, you might not know who Silver Eagle is.


From: Wry Me <wry_me@yahoo.com>
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Ok.  I must confess, I didn't know who he was, either!  So much better when someone puts us in the loop!

Wry Me
not dumb, just uninformed newbie??  Jeez.  When will I ever be an "oldie"?

 

From: Linda Livingstone <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 
I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark

From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL

From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express
















Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Wry Me (wry_me@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 16:28:05 UTC-08:00
Here's the worst part.  When I followed those links, I recognized them immediately, because, . . . ahem.  I've already read them.  It struck me as odd at the time that they all used their real names. Pity some of them no longer box.

From: Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com>
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 
LOL. When I posted, I thought to myself, "Snarky post on the Big List, jeez I am old...." 

I think a lot of it is location, too. Like if you were a newbie from Pennsylvania, you might not know who Silver Eagle is.

From: Wry Me <wry_me@yahoo.com>
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Ok.  I must confess, I didn't know who he was, either!  So much better when someone puts us in the loop!

Wry Me
not dumb, just uninformed newbie??  Jeez.  When will I ever be an "oldie"?

 

From: Linda Livingstone <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 
I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark

From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL

From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express


















Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: uneksia@yahoo.com (uneksia@yahoo.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 22:25:11 UTC-05:00
 
you would know who silver eagle is, and tom cooch, and a whole mess of others if you would read the archives.
smile
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 1/20/2014 7:08:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers
 
 

LOL. When I posted, I thought to myself, "Snarky post on the Big List, jeez I am old...." 

I think a lot of it is location, too. Like if you were a newbie from Pennsylvania, you might not know who Silver Eagle is.


From: Wry Me <wry_me@yahoo.com>
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Ok.  I must confess, I didn't know who he was, either!  So much better when someone puts us in the loop!

Wry Me
not dumb, just uninformed newbie??  Jeez.  When will I ever be an "oldie"?

 

From: Linda Livingstone <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 
I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.
Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

Mark

From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

Connected by Motorola


Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL

From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers



Tom,
Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.



---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.
The Orient Express
















 



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RE: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

From: Debbie Kotlarek (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) | Date: 2014-01-20 21:29:30 UTC-06:00

Yep, lots of interesting and amusing stuff from the "old days"!

 

Wisconsin Hiker

 

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uneksia@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:25 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

 

you would know who silver eagle is, and tom cooch, and a whole mess of others if you would read the archives.

smile

 

 

 

-------Original Message-------

 

Date: 1/20/2014 7:08:30 PM

Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

LOL. When I posted, I thought to myself, "Snarky post on the Big List, jeez I am old...." 

 

I think a lot of it is location, too. Like if you were a newbie from Pennsylvania, you might not know who Silver Eagle is.

 


From: Wry Me <wry_me@yahoo.com>
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

Ok.  I must confess, I didn't know who he was, either!  So much better when someone puts us in the loop!

 

Wry Me

not dumb, just uninformed newbie??  Jeez.  When will I ever be an "oldie"?

 

 

 

From: Linda Livingstone <lliving51@gmail.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Pratt Family Yahoo! <prattfamily777@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Thank you!  I didn't know who he was either... He didn't pop up when I Googled him, but I'm glad you let us know, Mark.  Thank you, Tom!!!

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Mark Pepe <mjpepe1@comcast.net> wrote:

 

I was going to write the same thing, Seth! As many of us know, Tom Cooch was in that initial handful of people who started this hobby in the US.

Without these people, we wouldn't be letterboxing today!

 

Mark

 

From: "Seth" <barace1175@yahoo.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

 

Wait...someone didn't know who Tom was? That's too funny.

 

Connected by Motorola

 

 

Suzanne Coe <wilmcoe@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Darlin', I'm pretty sure Tom Cooch knows the history of letterboxing. LOL

 

From: "reddgroom@roadrunner.com" <reddgroom@roadrunner.com>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Appeal To Geocachers

 

 

 

Tom,

Letterboxers claim a history of the sport going back to England in the 1800s... It definitely preceded Geocaching by over a hundred years. check it out.

 

 

 

---In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, <thomascooch@...> wrote:
... Only that while Letterboxing preceded Geocaching, it wasn't by that much. Letterboxing over here started in the summer of 1998, and Geocaching cam about no more than two years later.

The Orient Express

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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